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I want Kakashi dead.. (4) (8%)
I want both Obito and Kakashi dead (3) (6%)
I'm cool.. I will just follow this shit (15) (31%)
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  Posted on October 8, 2012 09:26
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Shadow_Minato wrote:
"Those who betray their comrades are worse than scum"

If Kakashi killed Rin for his own survival, that would go against this quote. It obviously means a lot to him considering his best friend tol him this before his death and the fact he uses it as a motto (he said the quote during the bell-stealing drill with Team 7).
He definitely has a good reason for his actions.

1) She asked for it.
2) Accident (but that would be an extremely lame conclusion to everything)
3) She was a spy (another one that I doubt)
4) Edxperimental Bodies.
5) Madara...

Scenario 1: The Mist ninja have them surrounded and after a losing to the enemy, Kakashi and Rin are out of options. Rin suddenly tells Kakashi to kill her for his own gone. His initial reaction would be "no, Obito asked me to protect you" but eventually she convinces him that if he doesn't, neither of them will survive. She is only a burden. Kakashi does it and goes through a ton of emtional pain... Somewhere along those lines I guess.

Scenario 2: ...Kakashi can't see anything but a figure up ahead. He uses Chidori and impales his enemy... And realizes that he just killed his comrade...
I doubt it was mistake because the Obtio would have said "Because you killed Rin" instead of "Because you let Rin die"

Scenario 3: When Kakashi and Rin are surrounded by the enemy, Rin reveals that she was a spy of the Hidden Mist, Kakashi went rage mode. At first he was in denail, but then he knew that killing her was best and it was the best way for him to escape. It would explain why he cried. He was entrusted with the task of protecting her and she turned out to be an enemy. His best friends loved her she was just a spy. But then again, Kakashi said that he failed to protect Rin. If she was a spy, he wouldn't care about protecting her.

Scenario 4: I read it on MangaPanda and Zetsu says something about Hidden Mist Guinea Pigs. Then I read it on Mangastream, and Zetsu says that the Mist were using "experimental bodies"... I have no idea what the fuck any of this means... Weird shit has been happening... I'm just guessing it was a Kakashi fake.

Scenario 5: It could have been Madara screwing Obito. After Obito left the cave, Madara decided to F with his mind and have him him crawl back to truly re-pay his depts. I'm not sure how he pulled it off, but he either made Kakashi kill Rin or a Zetsu disguised as Kakashi kill Rin. There is also the possibility of Obito being under a genjutsu to have him see a false image of Rin's death. That's why those black things had covered Obito's vision and once it it cleared, he saw Rin die. Though, to counter this thought, it could have just been Obito seeing through Kakashi's eye at that moment. It further explains how Obito was able to tell that Kakashi frequently stands in front of the Obito momerial and makes pathetic excuses and shit... So if Madara had anything to do with this, it is likely that he used a Kakashi fake to kill Rin the exact moment Obito arrived. And still, Obito would have believed that Kakashi killed Rin and did not simply let her die. So in the end, we can only link Madara to this by saying that he set up the attack and nothing more.

edit: I normally don't type this much, and I hate people that usually do. Please don't mistake me for a keyboard warrior

For that last scenario. I doubt the fact, that kakashi was fake, because:
1) You can't copy someone's sharingan, which was linked to obito's, that's how he saw him kill Rin.
2) and I doubt that Zetsu could use Raikiri(Kakashi's technique) to kill her.
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  Posted on October 8, 2012 09:32
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#32
sometime wrote:
Shadow_Minato wrote:
"Those who betray their comrades are worse than scum"

If Kakashi killed Rin for his own survival, that would go against this quote. It obviously means a lot to him considering his best friend tol him this before his death and the fact he uses it as a motto (he said the quote during the bell-stealing drill with Team 7).
He definitely has a good reason for his actions.

1) She asked for it.
2) Accident (but that would be an extremely lame conclusion to everything)
3) She was a spy (another one that I doubt)
4) Edxperimental Bodies.
5) Madara...

Scenario 1: The Mist ninja have them surrounded and after a losing to the enemy, Kakashi and Rin are out of options. Rin suddenly tells Kakashi to kill her for his own gone. His initial reaction would be "no, Obito asked me to protect you" but eventually she convinces him that if he doesn't, neither of them will survive. She is only a burden. Kakashi does it and goes through a ton of emtional pain... Somewhere along those lines I guess.

Scenario 2: ...Kakashi can't see anything but a figure up ahead. He uses Chidori and impales his enemy... And realizes that he just killed his comrade...
I doubt it was mistake because the Obtio would have said "Because you killed Rin" instead of "Because you let Rin die"

Scenario 3: When Kakashi and Rin are surrounded by the enemy, Rin reveals that she was a spy of the Hidden Mist, Kakashi went rage mode. At first he was in denail, but then he knew that killing her was best and it was the best way for him to escape. It would explain why he cried. He was entrusted with the task of protecting her and she turned out to be an enemy. His best friends loved her she was just a spy. But then again, Kakashi said that he failed to protect Rin. If she was a spy, he wouldn't care about protecting her.

Scenario 4: I read it on MangaPanda and Zetsu says something about Hidden Mist Guinea Pigs. Then I read it on Mangastream, and Zetsu says that the Mist were using "experimental bodies"... I have no idea what the fuck any of this means... Weird shit has been happening... I'm just guessing it was a Kakashi fake.

Scenario 5: It could have been Madara screwing Obito. After Obito left the cave, Madara decided to F with his mind and have him him crawl back to truly re-pay his depts. I'm not sure how he pulled it off, but he either made Kakashi kill Rin or a Zetsu disguised as Kakashi kill Rin. There is also the possibility of Obito being under a genjutsu to have him see a false image of Rin's death. That's why those black things had covered Obito's vision and once it it cleared, he saw Rin die. Though, to counter this thought, it could have just been Obito seeing through Kakashi's eye at that moment. It further explains how Obito was able to tell that Kakashi frequently stands in front of the Obito momerial and makes pathetic excuses and shit... So if Madara had anything to do with this, it is likely that he used a Kakashi fake to kill Rin the exact moment Obito arrived. And still, Obito would have believed that Kakashi killed Rin and did not simply let her die. So in the end, we can only link Madara to this by saying that he set up the attack and nothing more.

edit: I normally don't type this much, and I hate people that usually do. Please don't mistake me for a keyboard warrior

For that last scenario. I doubt the fact, that kakashi was fake, because:
1) You can't copy someone's sharingan, which was linked to obito's, that's how he saw him kill Rin.
2) and I doubt that Zetsu could use Raikiri(Kakashi's technique) to kill her.

Well at the beginning of shipuden Itachi controlled a clone/body double while fighting naruto and kakashi... It is possible
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  Posted on October 8, 2012 09:34
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#33
flash4thhokage wrote:
sometime wrote:
Shadow_Minato wrote:
"Those who betray their comrades are worse than scum"

If Kakashi killed Rin for his own survival, that would go against this quote. It obviously means a lot to him considering his best friend tol him this before his death and the fact he uses it as a motto (he said the quote during the bell-stealing drill with Team 7).
He definitely has a good reason for his actions.

1) She asked for it.
2) Accident (but that would be an extremely lame conclusion to everything)
3) She was a spy (another one that I doubt)
4) Edxperimental Bodies.
5) Madara...

Scenario 1: The Mist ninja have them surrounded and after a losing to the enemy, Kakashi and Rin are out of options. Rin suddenly tells Kakashi to kill her for his own gone. His initial reaction would be "no, Obito asked me to protect you" but eventually she convinces him that if he doesn't, neither of them will survive. She is only a burden. Kakashi does it and goes through a ton of emtional pain... Somewhere along those lines I guess.

Scenario 2: ...Kakashi can't see anything but a figure up ahead. He uses Chidori and impales his enemy... And realizes that he just killed his comrade...
I doubt it was mistake because the Obtio would have said "Because you killed Rin" instead of "Because you let Rin die"

Scenario 3: When Kakashi and Rin are surrounded by the enemy, Rin reveals that she was a spy of the Hidden Mist, Kakashi went rage mode. At first he was in denail, but then he knew that killing her was best and it was the best way for him to escape. It would explain why he cried. He was entrusted with the task of protecting her and she turned out to be an enemy. His best friends loved her she was just a spy. But then again, Kakashi said that he failed to protect Rin. If she was a spy, he wouldn't care about protecting her.

Scenario 4: I read it on MangaPanda and Zetsu says something about Hidden Mist Guinea Pigs. Then I read it on Mangastream, and Zetsu says that the Mist were using "experimental bodies"... I have no idea what the fuck any of this means... Weird shit has been happening... I'm just guessing it was a Kakashi fake.

Scenario 5: It could have been Madara screwing Obito. After Obito left the cave, Madara decided to F with his mind and have him him crawl back to truly re-pay his depts. I'm not sure how he pulled it off, but he either made Kakashi kill Rin or a Zetsu disguised as Kakashi kill Rin. There is also the possibility of Obito being under a genjutsu to have him see a false image of Rin's death. That's why those black things had covered Obito's vision and once it it cleared, he saw Rin die. Though, to counter this thought, it could have just been Obito seeing through Kakashi's eye at that moment. It further explains how Obito was able to tell that Kakashi frequently stands in front of the Obito momerial and makes pathetic excuses and shit... So if Madara had anything to do with this, it is likely that he used a Kakashi fake to kill Rin the exact moment Obito arrived. And still, Obito would have believed that Kakashi killed Rin and did not simply let her die. So in the end, we can only link Madara to this by saying that he set up the attack and nothing more.

edit: I normally don't type this much, and I hate people that usually do. Please don't mistake me for a keyboard warrior

For that last scenario. I doubt the fact, that kakashi was fake, because:
1) You can't copy someone's sharingan, which was linked to obito's, that's how he saw him kill Rin.
2) and I doubt that Zetsu could use Raikiri(Kakashi's technique) to kill her.

Well at the beginning of shipuden Itachi controlled a clone/body double while fighting naruto and kakashi... It is possible

But he was controlling a clone of himself, not someone else. for example how would do control a fake naruto going in to four tail kyuubi mode?
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#34
flash4thhokage wrote:
sometime wrote:
Scenario 1:Scenario 2:Scenario 3:Scenario 4:Scenario 5:

For that last scenario. I doubt the fact, that kakashi was fake, because:
1) You can't copy someone's sharingan, which was linked to obito's, that's how he saw him kill Rin.
2) and I doubt that Zetsu could use Raikiri(Kakashi's technique) to kill her.

Well at the beginning of shipuden Itachi controlled a clone/body double while fighting naruto and kakashi... It is possible

But he was controlling a clone of himself, not someone else. for example how would do control a fake naruto going in to four tail kyuubi mode?[/q

I see what you mean. I think zetsu ca copy and perform anybody's technique thats not unique.
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  Posted on October 9, 2012 21:44
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#35
sometime wrote:
Shadow_Minato wrote:
"Those who betray their comrades are worse than scum"

If Kakashi killed Rin for his own survival, that would go against this quote. It obviously means a lot to him considering his best friend tol him this before his death and the fact he uses it as a motto (he said the quote during the bell-stealing drill with Team 7).
He definitely has a good reason for his actions.

1) She asked for it.
2) Accident (but that would be an extremely lame conclusion to everything)
3) She was a spy (another one that I doubt)
4) Edxperimental Bodies.
5) Madara...

Scenario 1: The Mist ninja have them surrounded and after a losing to the enemy, Kakashi and Rin are out of options. Rin suddenly tells Kakashi to kill her for his own gone. His initial reaction would be "no, Obito asked me to protect you" but eventually she convinces him that if he doesn't, neither of them will survive. She is only a burden. Kakashi does it and goes through a ton of emtional pain... Somewhere along those lines I guess.

Scenario 2: ...Kakashi can't see anything but a figure up ahead. He uses Chidori and impales his enemy... And realizes that he just killed his comrade...
I doubt it was mistake because the Obtio would have said "Because you killed Rin" instead of "Because you let Rin die"

Scenario 3: When Kakashi and Rin are surrounded by the enemy, Rin reveals that she was a spy of the Hidden Mist, Kakashi went rage mode. At first he was in denail, but then he knew that killing her was best and it was the best way for him to escape. It would explain why he cried. He was entrusted with the task of protecting her and she turned out to be an enemy. His best friends loved her she was just a spy. But then again, Kakashi said that he failed to protect Rin. If she was a spy, he wouldn't care about protecting her.

Scenario 4: I read it on MangaPanda and Zetsu says something about Hidden Mist Guinea Pigs. Then I read it on Mangastream, and Zetsu says that the Mist were using "experimental bodies"... I have no idea what the fuck any of this means... Weird shit has been happening... I'm just guessing it was a Kakashi fake.

Scenario 5: It could have been Madara screwing Obito. After Obito left the cave, Madara decided to F with his mind and have him him crawl back to truly re-pay his depts. I'm not sure how he pulled it off, but he either made Kakashi kill Rin or a Zetsu disguised as Kakashi kill Rin. There is also the possibility of Obito being under a genjutsu to have him see a false image of Rin's death. That's why those black things had covered Obito's vision and once it it cleared, he saw Rin die. Though, to counter this thought, it could have just been Obito seeing through Kakashi's eye at that moment. It further explains how Obito was able to tell that Kakashi frequently stands in front of the Obito momerial and makes pathetic excuses and shit... So if Madara had anything to do with this, it is likely that he used a Kakashi fake to kill Rin the exact moment Obito arrived. And still, Obito would have believed that Kakashi killed Rin and did not simply let her die. So in the end, we can only link Madara to this by saying that he set up the attack and nothing more.

edit: I normally don't type this much, and I hate people that usually do. Please don't mistake me for a keyboard warrior

For that last scenario. I doubt the fact, that kakashi was fake, because:
1) You can't copy someone's sharingan, which was linked to obito's, that's how he saw him kill Rin.
2) and I doubt that Zetsu could use Raikiri(Kakashi's technique) to kill her.
1) He didn't use the Sharingan. Zetsu could have simply imitated its apparence. And if you read the scenario, I said that Zetsu turning into a Kakashi fake would only make sense if Madara put Obito in a genjutsu so he can see it happen.

2) True. I just adressed the issue. I don't believe it at all.

Edit: 605 came out... And it turns out that Kakashi killed her for the one damn reason that I didn't consider... Bullshit
  Posted on January 21, 2013 21:20
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  Posted on January 21, 2013 21:39
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true i think madara will explain the situation in the next chapters
  Posted on January 21, 2013 21:42
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"It's because you let Rin die"
Obito didn't say "Beacuse you killed Rin", so he doesn't blame Kakashi for killing her, but for not being able to save her. Also when Obito tells Kakashi that he is trash and when Kakashi remebers Rin's death, he tells Obito to forgive him for "not being able to save Rin". It probably means that Kakashi didn't kill Rin on purpose, but was forced to and also means that they both know something more that wasn't showed to us in the manga, but is yet to be revealed.

- Seems like the best theory for me. THIS IS NOT MINE OwO.
  Posted on January 22, 2013 18:03
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I think a mission went bad for those two. They had obtain some top secret information. Kakashi tried to protect them but realize they were outnumbered. He knew they were going to torture Rin for the information. So she asked him to kill her and he refused. She kept pleading and he finally gave in, which why she was shocked. Kakashi expected to be killed by the Mist. If it wasnt for Obito, he would have been killed. He failed to protect Rin, he let her die by accepting a mission they were not ready to take on alone without Minato.
  Posted on February 17, 2013 19:14
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I think rin was a spy. First see was captured by stone shinobi,it was just a way to get information about konohas plans
And second of they asked obito and kakashi to come after them to save rin. Why would anyone play with children in middle of a war.they just wanted to get info about konoha plans. eventually in manga 604 kakashi found out that rin was a spy of stone village by village of mist shinobis. she was giving plans of konoha as well as mist to stone villag they would have made her confess or given him some proof.kakashi was left with no choice but to kill her because she was gonna give a very important top secret plan to stone which could have turned the war in favour of stone village.kakashi never disclosed this secret to anyone because he did not wanted fear in people mind that if minato namikaze who the most trusted man in konoha and future hokage's subordinate is a spy then what about others.this would have broken the trust between konohas and the village would have been broken from inside. And when he killed rin thats when his MS activated because rin was his closet friend.
  Posted on February 17, 2013 19:46
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Tbh, I would prefer if she was the last remaining full blooded Senju and she was going to be in the wrong hands so Kakashi was forced to kill her, I mean not even Tsunade is a fullblooded Senju, so that wouldve been extremely rare. But then at her grave we saw her last name and that kinda ruined that part. Unless Kishi did that on purpose, which I doubt and would be lame anyways.

I honestly think either Kishi is simply going to ignore that part ( why Kakashi killed Rin ) since alot of people already forgot about it due the new recent turn of events in the manga. Or its going to be something retarded like ''In order to protect Rin, I asked her to marry me, she refused, betrayed me and Konoha as she was spying for the Mist so I had to kill her, for aswell my pride as for the pride of the village''
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  Posted on February 17, 2013 19:53
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Probably because of bullshit anime plot.

Top 5 reasons(don't bother with order).

1. Zetsu Clone(obviosuly madara needed to make Obito on his side if he wanted to use him.

2. Kakashi couldn't see through Mist, he does it later in the future.

3. Kakashi or Rin was being manipulated at a very high genjutsu or unlike his father Kakashi wanted to follow orders and make sure whatever they were doing was kept secret.

5. No sandwich, no pussy, nothin.
  Posted on February 18, 2013 04:55
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#43
When Minato arrives on the battlefield, he will wrap up the mystery behind Rin. I definitely see a flashback chapter coming when Obito, Minato, and Kakashi get back together. What is going to be interesting is whether MInato knew Obito was the masked man.
  Posted on February 19, 2013 15:52
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#44
Every theory is nice, but theyre all too complicated....Kishi is not making complicating ends of questions.
Its like "Who is Tobi" question...He just end it with Obito.....the most often theory.


- I think he will end this with the spy theory


-IMO
  Posted on February 23, 2013 22:38
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#45
he told rin several times to run faster. realizing he was surrounded due to slowing pace to stay with rin he lost it for just a split second.