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  Posted on December 16, 2011 07:42
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Well, KrapKicker originally had this idea, and we've mentioned it a couple of times afterwards in various threads, so I thought I would give it a go and see how well it works.

This is a list of many misconceptions made about the Naruto world that are not true, and should not be brought up into a debate. The point of this list is to save various members the trouble of pointing out when someone has fallen for one of these misconceptions by letting the person see the list beforehand, and then not bringing it up due to knowing it is not true.

COMMON MISCONCEPTION LIST

The Sharingan Does Not Automatically Grant User a New Jutsu
Contrary to popular belief, when a Sharingan user sees someone use a jutsu with their Sharingan, this does not automatically give them the ability to use said jutsu. The Sharingan gives the user a kind of how-to manual on the jutsu, seeing how the chakra is molded and what hand signs are necessary, and also grants the user the 'photographic' memory affect, so that they don't forget how the jutsu is performed. However, they must still actually have the ability to perform the jutsu. Otherwise, whether they see it with the Sharingan or not, they cannot perform it. This is proven by the fact that Sasuke could not perform the full Lotus technique that Lee performed in front of his Sharingan, and that the technique also physically exhausted him.

The Sharingan Cannot Differentiate Substance Clones and Original User
Bunshins like Kage Bunshin, Raiton Bunshin, Suiton Bunshin, etc. cannot be differentiated by any eye, including the Sharingan. The Sharingan can see the chakra flow of an individual, which gives it insight into whether what they are seeing is a regular Bunshin or the user. However, substance Bunshins are complete copies of the original user, including the chakra flow (which is why using a substance Bunshin significantly cuts down on one's chakra pool). Therefore, the substance Bunshin and the user have identical chakra flows, so the Sharingan cannot differentiate them.

Danzo's Izanagi Grants Ten Minutes, Not Ten Lives
Danzo has 10 Sharingans on his right arm, each of which can hold up Izanagi for a solid minute, giving Danzo effective invulnerability during said minute. With 10 Sharingans, this grants him a total (not an uninterrupted) 10 minutes of invulnerability. This does not, however, simply grant him 10 lives. Someone could continuously attack him for 10 solid minutes to the point where he had to use Izanagi that whole time, and then finish him. This is only one kill, but Danzo would be finished, because he does still really only have on life.

Minato Is Not a Confirmed Fuuton User
Despite the common assumption that Minato is a Fuuton user, he isn't confirmed to be one. Some people assume he is because Naruto is, or because he uses Rasengan. Rasengan is, originally, a natural technique without any nature manipulation, and Naruto is said to have inherited his style of ninjutsu from his mother, Kushina, not from Minato. So, Minato is not necessarily a Fuuton user, and his nature affinity remains unknown at this point.

A Hiraishin Seal Is Not Limited to Minato's Kunai
This isn't as common a misconception as the others, but I have seen it multiple times, so I feel it belongs on this list. As shown in his fight with Tobi and his fight with A and Bee, Minato can place a Hiraishin seal with his hand. This means that he can constantly add more places to which he can teleport, instead of being restricted to only where his kunai are located.

Baki's Flak Jacket Isn't Different Than Others
Despite the game, Naruto-Arena, giving it super power, Baki's flak jacket is no different than others. It will not be able to tank any attack you throw at it. If you hit it with a technique like Chidori or Rasengan, Baki will take significant damage, despite what the game says on the matter.

Shitenshin no Jutsu And Other Yamanaka Clan Jutsu Aren't Genjutsu Techniques
Another misconception because of the game, Naruto-Arena. These techniques are ninjutsu techniques, not genjutsu techniques. Genjutsu techniques work by altering the chakra flow in an opponent for to cause illusions. Yamanaka Clan techniques work by controlling a person's mind. The databook also confirms that they are ninjutsu techniques.


If you have any others that you feel should be on this list, feel free to let me know in this thread, and I will add them. Thank you for taking the time to read this before you post here in the Battledome, and happy debating!



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  Posted on December 16, 2011 07:49
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Thanks this list should save people a lot of time.

I've had several arguments trying to explain the first one to people, but they just argue that Kakashi copyed Zabuza's water dragon, not knowing that Kakashi has at least a some what good understanding of water based jutsu and he has high a level understand of chakra molding or however you would phrase it.
  Posted on December 16, 2011 12:54
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How about the whole Konan ten minute explosion technique and how it was specifically prepared in that area for Pain, not just summoned for any use


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  Posted on December 16, 2011 16:46
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How about the whole Konan ten minute explosion technique and how it was specifically prepared in that area for Pain, not just summoned for any use

Hmm, I don't think that's a common misconception. I've never seen anyone thinking it wasn't prepared.


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  Posted on December 16, 2011 17:08
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Kurenai's Tree Binding Death

It is a high ranking Genjutsu. However, people think it's practically useless. However, the person who escaped it was Itachi Uchiha, an unrivaled Genjutsu master. Once he reflected it onto Kurenai, he easily got out of it...since it's her own jutsu. Complemented by Itachi for using this jutsu, Kurenai's Genjutsu shouldn't be swept under the rug.


Kabuto's Edo Tensei

While Kabuto is able to reanimate any past ninja that e has DNA for, it's simply not plausible in battle. This is because he needs a human sacrifice for each reanimation. He simply does not have an enormous storage of corpses for battle. It took him several arcs of hiding to collect enough corpses for the Shinobi Worls War, an even them he summoned them before the war. So Edo Tensai really shouldn't be considered available for Kabuto unless he has an ally with him.


Sasuke's Susano'o

Yes, he doe indeed gave it now. However, he isn't used to using it, so it really shouldn't be treated like it is up to par with Itachi's, because it really isn't. He is still not used to it, and he hadn't used Yata Mirror, or the Sealing Gourd with his version, so we can't assume that he has the ability to.


Tsunade's Nervous System Flip

When fighting Kabuto, Tsunade's used a presumably Raiton technique that completely flipped his nervous system. However, he only took a minute to figure it out. In that time, Tsynade could have killed him, but was traumatized by the sight of blood (which she got over quickly after). Kabuto figure out how to move with this, but this is Kabuto we are talking about. He is very smart. The average ninja could not figure this out, especially before she killed them. In addition, Kabuto had taken a food pill, so he was already boosted up to a whole new level. This Nervous System Flip shouldn't be taken lightly.


Hinata's Twin Lion Fist

People seem to think that Hinata is still weak. However, we saw her spar with Pain, and almost land a few good hits in him too, while also avoiding some. Her Twin Lion Fist proved to be pretty fast to activate and fast to move. It's a pretty powerful move. The one who barely dodged it was Pain.
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  Posted on December 16, 2011 17:15
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Is it a possibility you can add that there is no way in hell that tobi is obito THANKS. :D
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  Posted on December 16, 2011 18:37
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Sorry, let me add this one (which I find infuriating)

Baki is not all that

He wears a regular Flack Jacket. It's nit a special one. It only partially absorbed a sword. Plus is only shown attacks are a quick punch, and his Wind Blade that requires close distance. He is not a legendary ninja, or even that special. He was afraid of fighting genin Gaara, and is only a Jounin. People shouldt treat him like he is
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  Posted on December 16, 2011 20:57
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Kurenai's Tree Binding Death

It is a high ranking Genjutsu. However, people think it's practically useless. However, the person who escaped it was Itachi Uchiha, an unrivaled Genjutsu master. Once he reflected it onto Kurenai, he easily got out of it...since it's her own jutsu. Complemented by Itachi for using this jutsu, Kurenai's Genjutsu shouldn't be swept under the rug.


Kabuto's Edo Tensei

While Kabuto is able to reanimate any past ninja that e has DNA for, it's simply not plausible in battle. This is because he needs a human sacrifice for each reanimation. He simply does not have an enormous storage of corpses for battle. It took him several arcs of hiding to collect enough corpses for the Shinobi Worls War, an even them he summoned them before the war. So Edo Tensai really shouldn't be considered available for Kabuto unless he has an ally with him.


Sasuke's Susano'o

Yes, he doe indeed gave it now. However, he isn't used to using it, so it really shouldn't be treated like it is up to par with Itachi's, because it really isn't. He is still not used to it, and he hadn't used Yata Mirror, or the Sealing Gourd with his version, so we can't assume that he has the ability to.


Tsunade's Nervous System Flip

When fighting Kabuto, Tsunade's used a presumably Raiton technique that completely flipped his nervous system. However, he only took a minute to figure it out. In that time, Tsynade could have killed him, but was traumatized by the sight of blood (which she got over quickly after). Kabuto figure out how to move with this, but this is Kabuto we are talking about. He is very smart. The average ninja could not figure this out, especially before she killed them. In addition, Kabuto had taken a food pill, so he was already boosted up to a whole new level. This Nervous System Flip shouldn't be taken lightly.


Hinata's Twin Lion Fist

People seem to think that Hinata is still weak. However, we saw her spar with Pain, and almost land a few good hits in him too, while also avoiding some. Her Twin Lion Fist proved to be pretty fast to activate and fast to move. It's a pretty powerful move. The one who barely dodged it was Pain.

Kurenai's genjutsu is easily broken by any small bit of pain. That much is true. I haven't seen anyone say anything else about it being weak, so this isn't really a common misconception.

Very true, but I haven't seen anyone saying that he can automatically make Edo Tenseis during battle, so I wouldn't count this as a common misconception.

He is used to it by now. He used it extremely effectively against Danzo, and he used it really well when we saw him attacking Zetsu, without him seeming to suffer at all while using it.

I don't think anyone has taken it lightly.

Very true, but this thread isn't to correct people about how strong certain characters are. That's for the debating to decide. This thread is just about simple misconceptions.

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Is it a possibility you can add that there is no way in hell that tobi is obito THANKS. :D

That has to do with plot, not skills. So it doesn't really belong here. And while I agree with you, it still can't really be said for sure that it isn't Obito.

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Sorry, let me add this one (which I find infuriating)

Baki is not all that

He wears a regular Flack Jacket. It's nit a special one. It only partially absorbed a sword. Plus is only shown attacks are a quick punch, and his Wind Blade that requires close distance. He is not a legendary ninja, or even that special. He was afraid of fighting genin Gaara, and is only a Jounin. People shouldt treat him like he is
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That is, indeed, very infuriating and bewildering. But, as I said, this isn't really about how powerful a character is.


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  Posted on December 16, 2011 22:05
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@Minato Is Not a Confirmed Fuuton User:

I thought he was either Raiton or Fuuton.
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  Posted on December 16, 2011 22:12
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Nope. Nothing has been mentioned or shown about his elemental affinity. I personally think he might be a Suiton user because:

Hiruzen (Doton or Katon) taught Jiraiya (Doton or Katon) taught Minato (?) taught Kakashi (Raiton) taught Naruto (Fuuton). Suiton's the only one that's missing.


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  Posted on December 16, 2011 22:16
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Minato-Sempai wrote:
rhinocef95 wrote:
How about the whole Konan ten minute explosion technique and how it was specifically prepared in that area for Pain, not just summoned for any use

Hmm, I don't think that's a common misconception. I've never seen anyone thinking it wasn't prepared.

I'll debate all day that it wasn't prepared... you know i will...

anywho... we will have to work on this... assuming it is accepted... You might have to break this up into topics... like there are probably gonna be several things involving the Sharigan, or the Tailed Beasts or some other topic...


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Yeah, it'll definitely take a lot of work. I dunno about breaking it into topics. I think it'll be fine requesting adds here. And, obviously, we can always see something in a debate, and be like "this is going on the list". And the sticky request is pending approval atm.


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  Posted on December 16, 2011 22:20
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Okay, then let me rephrase

Baki's Flack Jacket

Baki does have a flack jacket, but it is not much different than any other one. It can't absorb a Rasengan or a Chidori, so don't hyperbolise it's defensive effectiveness.
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  Posted on December 16, 2011 22:26
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Hidan can still be killed
People might think he can't die because he's "immortal" but actually, the only purpose of his immortality is that he can't feel pain as much when he is damaged or attacked.. However, if we think about his head exploding into tiny little pieces, we wouldn't call that incapacitated still.. He would be dead. A very common fact in real world but also should also work in Narutoverse since they are still humans..

Ino's mind transfer is not a genjutsu
People think it is because it is in N-A.. But actually, its not.. It might affect an opponent's mind but that doesn't belong to how the genjutsu actually works.. Genjutsu are illusions meaning in real world, its not really there.. Ino's mind transfer isn't an illusion.. Her consciousness is indeed transfered to the opponent without any tricks or illusions..
  Posted on December 16, 2011 22:31
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Your first one isn't true. Hidan had his head cut off, and set there talking with the decapitated head. He is, indeed, literally immortal.

Ah, very, very true. A problem I've run into a lot. I remember there was a "Who's better at genjutsu; Ino or Inoichi" thread, and I was just like "...wtf? Neither have ever used genjutsu." Added.


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