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  Posted on July 4, 2009 20:29
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I remember when characters had expectations...sheesh. Now it seems like if one person has a good team with a character, all they need is a 3 paragraph post and that character won't be touched. At any rate, its obvious Nidaime needs a boost. And yes, Rock Lee IS the strongest in the game. He can do 30 damage for one tai during drunken fist, or during eight gates he can do 120 damage for a random and a taijutsu. He can do 15 damage and gain a 75% damage reduction for several turns for just a taijutsu and a random. It's like he's everything you could want in a character meshed up.

As for naruto regular...if Luap was going to change the non-20 pierce he would have done it a long time ago.
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  Posted on July 4, 2009 21:08
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For Naruto, I think that Rasengan should be changed to 40 Damage because I think 45 is a bit much. Because like Naruto Kyuubi he also does 40 but takes 10 affliction and also stuns because he doesn't need a prep so then for Naruto, he should be lowered to 40 cause he has a prep and also stuns. Sorry if this is a bad idea. Sorta like my 3rd time posting here :confused :unsure
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  Posted on July 4, 2009 21:49
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well here is what i think ... i wait your sugestions and your believes

Overpowered characters:

Naruto:His Shadow Clones are kinda overpowered i mean 20 points of damage reduction that cannot be pierced is too much!..and 1 on 1 he is a beast.I think if they will put more points of damage reduction that can be pierced or instead of this put a higher points of destructable defense will make him kinda balanced according with some chars for exemple Kabuto or Neji S or Yoroi or Deidara.Sure this characters will have theire changes to win but they are very low. :oh

Sakura:Her Inner Sakura is too overpowered...c`mon for 2 random chakras 25 % damage reduction, 1 less stun turns and doubles the K.O. Punch ! and all of this with a 5 cooldown skill.They should add more cooldown or lower the effects skill.

Gaara:Gaara is a very powered character comparing with others because of his instant kill and that huge points of damage reduction.I know that requires very much chakra but he should be reworked doing some damage.

Kankuro:Well Kankuro is the most overpowered character in my oppinion.Besides that he is a RANDOM USER, hes preparation gives him 20 dd,30 affliction aoe damage is too much ! .. and is affliction and 65 damage is way to much because requires random chakra.:oh

Haku:Haku`s Demonic Ice Mirrors is overpowered...because all of his skills becomes aoe and besides this he gets invulnerable for 3 turns!Thats too much.Unless thay should add an extra cooldown if you use some skills during DIM.

Kakashi:Even if more players says that this character is balanced is not so,like Gaara he have an instant kill that isn`t too expensive.His Nin-Dogs should be reworked doing 100 damage after it with Raikiri.

4 Tail:4Tail preparation skill should self-damage himself with 8 affliction or 9 ...7 is too low and 9 it`s a little bit much , 8 i think it`s ok :amused.

Kisame BD:Kisame`s Five Man Eating-Sharks should have 1 turn cooldown like Neji`s Gentle Fist...besides this When Explosive Water Wave is active you can do it again and again with only 1 ninjutsu and the stun move with 1 random chakra.

Underpowered Characters:

Shikamaru:Shikamaru rework downed some aoe teams but i think hes Meditate should gives him 5 destructable defense when put it on an enemy.

Nidaime:Nidaime damage is very useless...I know that is a support character but is underpowered...His Water Collision Destruction is kinda good but i think they can make it doing 10 more damage with Water Assult...and yes he is supposed to stop
aoe teams,but c`mon how many aoe teams are so good ?:oh

Itachi BD:Firstly his Genjutsu Reversal is useless, i mean how many of us uses it ? Than Goukakyuu No Jutsu is underpowered they should make it a one target skill and higher the damage.Also Finger Genjutsu is underpowered becasue shows the opponent that you use it and according with his others move is underpowered.i think his Finger Genjutsu should ignore invulnerability.

Deidara:Deidara damage is too low,also he needs preparation for those and his best move also activates when he dies.This makes all kill Deidara last so whats the point of that skill ?
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  Posted on July 4, 2009 22:17
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well here is what i think ... i wait your sugestions and your believes

Overpowered characters:

Naruto:His Shadow Clones are kinda overpowered i mean 20 points of damage reduction that cannot be pierced is too much!..and 1 on 1 he is a beast.I think if they will put more points of damage reduction that can be pierced or instead of this put a higher points of destructable defense will make him kinda balanced according with some chars for exemple Kabuto or Neji S or Yoroi or Deidara.Sure this characters will have theire changes to win but they are very low. :oh It isn't overpowered, it doesn't last long, and he's a really balanced character. 50%, it's fine, and perfectly balanced, there is no need to touch this character.

Sakura:Her Inner Sakura is too overpowered...c`mon for 2 random chakras 25 % damage reduction, 1 less stun turns and doubles the K.O. Punch ! and all of this with a 5 cooldown skill.They should add more cooldown or lower the effects skill.I agree she needs a rework, mostly because of her combinations with cheap stun, like Sakura, Gaara, Ino. She needs a rework, not necessarily a nerf...

Gaara:Gaara is a very powered character comparing with others because of his instant kill and that huge points of damage reduction.I know that requires very much chakra but he should be reworked doing some damage.I kind of want a rework for him, I've yet to see a team with Gaara that isn't cheap or focusing solely on Gaara...

Kankuro:Well Kankuro is the most overpowered character in my oppinion.Besides that he is a RANDOM USER, hes preparation gives him 20 dd,30 affliction aoe damage is too much ! .. and is affliction and 65 damage is way to much because requires random chakra.:oh Okay random is fine, his affliction is fine, it's his spike, nerf of 5 on his prep spike damage (60)

Haku:Haku`s Demonic Ice Mirrors is overpowered...because all of his skills becomes aoe and besides this he gets invulnerable for 3 turns!Thats too much.Unless thay should add an extra cooldown if you use some skills during DIM. Haku is alright, he's unique like that, and there are characters that ruin him like anti-invul and counter/reflect.

Kakashi:Even if more players says that this character is balanced is not so,like Gaara he have an instant kill that isn`t too expensive.His Nin-Dogs should be reworked doing 100 damage after it with Raikiri. Agreed he needs a rework, there's multiple ways we can do this, damage sounds like a good idea.

4 Tail:4Tail preparation skill should self-damage himself with 8 affliction or 9 ...7 is too low and 9 it`s a little bit much , 8 i think it`s ok :amused. Yep I've already said this, 8 is the way to go. We have time to fix his though.

Kisame BD:Kisame`s Five Man Eating-Sharks should have 1 turn cooldown like Neji`s Gentle Fist...besides this When Explosive Water Wave is active you can do it again and again with only 1 ninjutsu and the stun move with 1 random chakra. Heck no, he needs whatever help he can get atm looking at his current stats.

Underpowered Characters:

Shikamaru:Shikamaru rework downed some aoe teams but i think hes Meditate should gives him 5 destructable defense when put it on an enemy. I like that idea, the thing is Shikamaru is kind of a slow character, DD would help him endure. Might be unnecessary though.

Nidaime:Nidaime damage is very useless...I know that is a support character but is underpowered...His Water Collision Destruction is kinda good but i think they can make it doing 10 more damage with Water Assult...and yes he is supposed to stop
aoe teams,but c`mon how many aoe teams are so good ?:oh See Narikku with Nidaime, I'm not venturing into that :laugh

Itachi BD:Firstly his Genjutsu Reversal is useless, i mean how many of us uses it ? Than Goukakyuu No Jutsu is underpowered they should make it a one target skill and higher the damage.Also Finger Genjutsu is underpowered becasue shows the opponent that you use it and according with his others move is underpowered.i think his Finger Genjutsu should ignore invulnerability. Understanding on the first 2, but finger genjutsu underpowered?! He's one of the BEST counters in the game, if anything his counter is overpowered. He counters (even Kank's prep!) Yes it shows he's using it, but that's great for psychology! Target the opposite character then to be expected, reverse psychology.

Deidara:Deidara damage is too low,also he needs preparation for those and his best move also activates when he dies.This makes all kill Deidara last so whats the point of that skill ?But left unintended he can do a good deal of AoE damage for little cost, it's a good strategy. Although I would like a 5 damage boost on his medium sized explosives at least :push

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  Posted on July 4, 2009 22:40
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For those who say Naruto's shadow clone isn't overpowered, stop. It is and you know it. For just ONE random you get 20 destructable defense. That's not all, you can also use an attack that for one nin and one random deals 45 damage with a stun AND it doubles the damage another attack does. His Shadow Clone Jutsu is the strongest and most overpowered prep in the game. People are complaining about Kankuro...Naruto's is WAY better.
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  Posted on July 4, 2009 22:44
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naruto never seemed OP to me. sure he gets unpiercable DR but in most cases would you be able to pierce it.the best piercings will still do high dmg to him even with DR. plus it has a weakness. and think about it if it was not pierceable he would get owned all the time.
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^Antyx^ wrote:
well here is what i think ... i wait your sugestions and your believes

Overpowered characters:

Naruto:His Shadow Clones are kinda overpowered i mean 20 points of damage reduction that cannot be pierced is too much!..and 1 on 1 he is a beast.I think if they will put more points of damage reduction that can be pierced or instead of this put a higher points of destructable defense will make him kinda balanced according with some chars for exemple Kabuto or Neji S or Yoroi or Deidara.Sure this characters will have theire changes to win but they are very low. :oh

Sakura:Her Inner Sakura is too overpowered...c`mon for 2 random chakras 25 % damage reduction, 1 less stun turns and doubles the K.O. Punch ! and all of this with a 5 cooldown skill.They should add more cooldown or lower the effects skill.

Gaara:Gaara is a very powered character comparing with others because of his instant kill and that huge points of damage reduction.I know that requires very much chakra but he should be reworked doing some damage.

Kankuro:Well Kankuro is the most overpowered character in my oppinion.Besides that he is a RANDOM USER, hes preparation gives him 20 dd,30 affliction aoe damage is too much ! .. and is affliction and 65 damage is way to much because requires random chakra.:oh

Haku:Haku`s Demonic Ice Mirrors is overpowered...because all of his skills becomes aoe and besides this he gets invulnerable for 3 turns!Thats too much.Unless thay should add an extra cooldown if you use some skills during DIM.

Kakashi:Even if more players says that this character is balanced is not so,like Gaara he have an instant kill that isn`t too expensive.His Nin-Dogs should be reworked doing 100 damage after it with Raikiri.

4 Tail:4Tail preparation skill should self-damage himself with 8 affliction or 9 ...7 is too low and 9 it`s a little bit much , 8 i think it`s ok :amused.

Kisame BD:Kisame`s Five Man Eating-Sharks should have 1 turn cooldown like Neji`s Gentle Fist...besides this When Explosive Water Wave is active you can do it again and again with only 1 ninjutsu and the stun move with 1 random chakra.

Underpowered Characters:

Shikamaru:Shikamaru rework downed some aoe teams but i think hes Meditate should gives him 5 destructable defense when put it on an enemy.

Nidaime:Nidaime damage is very useless...I know that is a support character but is underpowered...His Water Collision Destruction is kinda good but i think they can make it doing 10 more damage with Water Assult...and yes he is supposed to stop
aoe teams,but c`mon how many aoe teams are so good ?:oh

Itachi BD:Firstly his Genjutsu Reversal is useless, i mean how many of us uses it ? Than Goukakyuu No Jutsu is underpowered they should make it a one target skill and higher the damage.Also Finger Genjutsu is underpowered becasue shows the opponent that you use it and according with his others move is underpowered.i think his Finger Genjutsu should ignore invulnerability.

Deidara:Deidara damage is too low,also he needs preparation for those and his best move also activates when he dies.This makes all kill Deidara last so whats the point of that skill ?

I agree with most things over here except KBD and Haku nerf,especially KBD who kinda needs a boost :oh
  Posted on July 4, 2009 22:49
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Then change Naruto's 20 destructable defense to either 2 random same effect.
Or do what i think make it like a 35% damage reduction and boost the combo. (With what Hiei said about making it have a random. Perpahs with my ver. it would cost 2 random chakra rather than one?)
I actually like Naruto's character. Pain in the butt to beat 1v1 but is funn .__.
And for Sakura's character, yeah the stun is a pain in the ass but it only deals 15 damage. Maybe inner sakura should cost 2 random chakra but then increase the damage reduction to 30% and where the stun only works with inner sakura?
But then i would think that her K.O. punch should be boosted to like 20 damage..
Ughh. So in a more organized ver. of that. Here are the changes in her moves:
- K.O. Punch
Deals 20 damage to one enemy.
[Instant,Physical,Melee. 1 Tai. No Cool Down]
- Inner Sakura
Damage done to Sakura is reduced by 30% and K.O Punch Stuns. This skill will last for the next 3 turns.
[Instant, Unique. 2 Random. 4 Cool Down.]
^^ Just what i think is a way to change Sakura with out making her totally underpowered.
Edit: Changes to Naruto (With the new chakra cost and cool down)
Shadow Clone:
Naruto gains a 35% damage reduction for 4 turns. During this time Uzumaki Naruto Combo is improved and deals double damage and Rasengan may be used.
[Chakra, Action. 2 Random. Cool Down 5]
Uzumaki Naruto Combo:
Naruto's ver. of the Lion Combo. Naruto deals 20 damage to one enemy. During Shadow Clone this skill is improved and deals double damage.
[Melee, Instant, Physical. 1 Tai. No Cool Down.]
  Posted on July 4, 2009 22:52
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naruto never seemed OP to me. sure he gets unpiercable DR but in most cases would you be able to pierce it.the best piercings will still do high dmg to him even with DR. plus it has a weakness. and think about it if it was not pierceable he would get owned all the time.
1)Sakura (S)'s punch would do 5 damage, Kabuto's attack would do none
2)not really...
3)and once again not really. 20 Damage reduction every turn for a few turns is very very good for one random, even if it wasn't a prep. I definately think shadow clone jutsu should cost a nin or 2 random
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sailornaruto39 wrote:
naruto never seemed OP to me. sure he gets unpiercable DR but in most cases would you be able to pierce it.the best piercings will still do high dmg to him even with DR. plus it has a weakness. and think about it if it was not pierceable he would get owned all the time.
1)Sakura (S)'s punch would do 5 damage, Kabuto's attack would do none
2)not really...
3)and once again not really. 20 Damage reduction every turn for a few turns is very very good for one random, even if it wasn't a prep. I definately think shadow clone jutsu should cost a nin or 2 random
never though of it like that. i guess you are right i would say 2 random.
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I edited my post and posted this yet it seemed that it was ignored v.v
Shadow Clone:
Naruto gains a 35% damage reduction for 4 turns. During this time Uzumaki Naruto Combo is improved and deals double damage and Rasengan may be used.
[Chakra, Action. 2 Random. Cool Down 5]
Uzumaki Naruto Combo:
Naruto's ver. of the Lion Combo. Naruto deals 20 damage to one enemy. During Shadow Clone this skill is improved and deals double damage.
[Melee, Instant, Physical. 1 Tai. No Cool Down.]
Rather than having 20 damage reduction. That way you can still damage Naruto.
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I edited my post and posted this yet it seemed that it was ignored v.v
Shadow Clone:
Naruto gains a 35% damage reduction for 4 turns. During this time Uzumaki Naruto Combo is improved and deals double damage and Rasengan may be used.
[Chakra, Action. 2 Random. Cool Down 5]
Uzumaki Naruto Combo:
Naruto's ver. of the Lion Combo. Naruto deals 20 damage to one enemy. During Shadow Clone this skill is improved and deals double damage.
[Melee, Instant, Physical. 1 Tai. No Cool Down.]
Rather than having 20 damage reduction. That way you can still damage Naruto.

having a prep like that costing 2 chakra is just crazy....it'll lower his stats like crazy. I do agree that his clones are annoying and a little overpowered, but this nerf is too much

the prep has to stay at one random. i'll try do w/e i can to change this skill later, but it has to stay at one random unless it gets an awesome ability..which is also bad
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  Posted on July 4, 2009 23:57
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Well maybe it should be 10 temporary health and 10 destructable defense every turn.
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  Posted on July 5, 2009 00:07
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Like I said Naruto is perfectly fine he's at 50%! There is no need to screw that up :push

Unless you can provide a really good reaon, he should be left alone :oh

@Ghost
Kankuro is overplayed, that's why it's a problem, his versatility has increased his winrates and his usage. Naruto DOES get that nice defense, but remember that it doesn't last long and costs chakra to do so. He can be easily stunned, countered, afflicted or killed through the use of anti-reduction.
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Like I said Naruto is perfectly fine he's at 50%! There is no need to screw that up :push

Unless you can provide a really good reaon, he should be left alone :oh

@Ghost Kankuro is overplayed, that's why it's a problem, his versatility has increased his winrates and his usage. Naruto DOES get that nice defense, but remember that it doesn't last long and costs chakra to do so. He can be easily stunned, countered, afflicted or killed through the use of anti-reduction.

hmm, now that u mention it, i have to say u'r right...though i still think naruto's clones should be reworked...but it shouldn't be the top priority right now...but honestly..what does he need the 20 defence for anyway...he's a quick character..he doesn't need time..

on that note, i looked at kank on the stats page...and WOW! he's played the most in the game ( and by a lot, he's over 3% ahead of the second character ). I honestly don't know y he ever got the 20 destructible defense in the first place.
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