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Poll: who is your fave character on super smash bros
14 vote(s) since November 17, 2008 23:07
ROY my fave (3) (21%)
TOON LINK my second fave (5) (36%)
MARTH my third fave (1) (7%)
IKE hate him because they replaced roy (3) (21%)
DIDDY-one of faves (2) (14%)
  Posted on November 20, 2008 04:49
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Why would anyone Tank with Ike, considering his recovery is absolute shit and its easy to edge guard it?


Which recovery is bad? You can use both his side and up B to recover from air, so I think it's pretty good. When you need to go horizontal, use side B, and when you need to go high, use his up B.

Although I'm just glad that you said that it is possible to tank, which is the argument I've been making for a while
Both are bad, shitty, one dimensional, and predictable.
If he has to go Horizantal, get read to edge guard
If vertical, get reayd to edge guard.

And YOU CANT TANK INA FIGHTING GAME
The only thing you gaine is a character getting the shit beat out of them.
u can tank in smash bros u just needa use zelda or fox and manuever :]
Why Zelda?
She isnt even that fast.

And Fox is shit for approaching, and he needs for people to come to him, since his only option of approaching is from the air.
zelda turns into shiek and shiek had good manuevr abilitys if u have good timeing
and fox is just fast and his up+b attack is cheep
...You can't be fucking serious. Just stop playing Smash right now if you think that worthless shit actually works against a real player.
lol if u run up jump slam down and get up quick press up+b on fox u got them stuck with 25 damage and u fly str8 into the groud for a quick grab hit :]
Please, just please, stop where you are....T_T. I didn't know this lvl of noobness existed.
sorry didnt knw u hada be a profesional to post a topic? but whatever makes u feel special
No, but you have to be a pro when discussing how good or bad characters are.....and now, I am doing what I told Washu and Sharky not to do, so bye.
shiek is good whatever anyone else says and any other char can be good it all depends on how you use them...
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Notice how Sheik is near the bottom tier?
so majority of people cant use her the way i can?
if one person is naturally good at something majority of people wont be in most cases
No she just plain, flat out sucks.
her spcial attacks arent that great but becuase shes so light and fast most attacks can just be basic and cant be counterd if u knw what ur doing
Just stop right where you are. Considering you don't know what the hell you're talking about, you must suck worse than the CPUs. At that, you shouldn't be lecturing us on how to play Smash, after we've played the game for months, long enough to learn what's this and that. You, on the other hand, haven't. You probably play with items on anyways.
sorry wish i could show u
but 10 stock vs 3 lvl 10 cpus i leave one cpu with 1-2 lives majority
a.CPUS Suck.
B. There are no level 10s,

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  Posted on November 20, 2008 04:49
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Why would anyone Tank with Ike, considering his recovery is absolute shit and its easy to edge guard it?


Which recovery is bad? You can use both his side and up B to recover from air, so I think it's pretty good. When you need to go horizontal, use side B, and when you need to go high, use his up B.

Although I'm just glad that you said that it is possible to tank, which is the argument I've been making for a while
Both are bad, shitty, one dimensional, and predictable.
If he has to go Horizantal, get read to edge guard
If vertical, get reayd to edge guard.

And YOU CANT TANK INA FIGHTING GAME
The only thing you gaine is a character getting the shit beat out of them.
u can tank in smash bros u just needa use zelda or fox and manuever :]
Why Zelda?
She isnt even that fast.

And Fox is shit for approaching, and he needs for people to come to him, since his only option of approaching is from the air.
zelda turns into shiek and shiek had good manuevr abilitys if u have good timeing
and fox is just fast and his up+b attack is cheep
...You can't be fucking serious. Just stop playing Smash right now if you think that worthless shit actually works against a real player.
lol if u run up jump slam down and get up quick press up+b on fox u got them stuck with 25 damage and u fly str8 into the groud for a quick grab hit :]
Please, just please, stop where you are....T_T. I didn't know this lvl of noobness existed.
sorry didnt knw u hada be a profesional to post a topic? but whatever makes u feel special
No, but you have to be a pro when discussing how good or bad characters are.....and now, I am doing what I told Washu and Sharky not to do, so bye.
shiek is good whatever anyone else says and any other char can be good it all depends on how you use them...
Tier List

Notice how Sheik is near the bottom tier?
so majority of people cant use her the way i can?
if one person is naturally good at something majority of people wont be in most cases
No she just plain, flat out sucks.
her spcial attacks arent that great but becuase shes so light and fast most attacks can just be basic and cant be counterd if u knw what ur doing
Just stop right where you are. Considering you don't know what the hell you're talking about, you must suck worse than the CPUs. At that, you shouldn't be lecturing us on how to play Smash, after we've played the game for months, long enough to learn what's this and that. You, on the other hand, haven't. You probably play with items on anyways.
sorry wish i could show u
but 10 stock vs 3 lvl 10 cpus i leave one cpu with 1-2 lives majority
a.CPUS Suck.
B. There are no level 10s,
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Why would anyone Tank with Ike, considering his recovery is absolute shit and its easy to edge guard it?


Which recovery is bad? You can use both his side and up B to recover from air, so I think it's pretty good. When you need to go horizontal, use side B, and when you need to go high, use his up B.

Although I'm just glad that you said that it is possible to tank, which is the argument I've been making for a while
Both are bad, shitty, one dimensional, and predictable.
If he has to go Horizantal, get read to edge guard
If vertical, get reayd to edge guard.

And YOU CANT TANK INA FIGHTING GAME
The only thing you gaine is a character getting the shit beat out of them.
u can tank in smash bros u just needa use zelda or fox and manuever :]
Why Zelda?
She isnt even that fast.

And Fox is shit for approaching, and he needs for people to come to him, since his only option of approaching is from the air.
zelda turns into shiek and shiek had good manuevr abilitys if u have good timeing
and fox is just fast and his up+b attack is cheep
...You can't be fucking serious. Just stop playing Smash right now if you think that worthless shit actually works against a real player.
lol if u run up jump slam down and get up quick press up+b on fox u got them stuck with 25 damage and u fly str8 into the groud for a quick grab hit :]
Please, just please, stop where you are....T_T. I didn't know this lvl of noobness existed.
sorry didnt knw u hada be a profesional to post a topic? but whatever makes u feel special
No, but you have to be a pro when discussing how good or bad characters are.....and now, I am doing what I told Washu and Sharky not to do, so bye.
shiek is good whatever anyone else says and any other char can be good it all depends on how you use them...
Tier List

Notice how Sheik is near the bottom tier?
so majority of people cant use her the way i can?
if one person is naturally good at something majority of people wont be in most cases
No she just plain, flat out sucks.
her spcial attacks arent that great but becuase shes so light and fast most attacks can just be basic and cant be counterd if u knw what ur doing
Just stop right where you are. Considering you don't know what the hell you're talking about, you must suck worse than the CPUs. At that, you shouldn't be lecturing us on how to play Smash, after we've played the game for months, long enough to learn what's this and that. You, on the other hand, haven't. You probably play with items on anyways.
sorry wish i could show u
but 10 stock vs 3 lvl 10 cpus i leave one cpu with 1-2 lives majority
Gtfo the internets.

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  Posted on November 20, 2008 04:52
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Why would anyone Tank with Ike, considering his recovery is absolute shit and its easy to edge guard it?


Which recovery is bad? You can use both his side and up B to recover from air, so I think it's pretty good. When you need to go horizontal, use side B, and when you need to go high, use his up B.

Although I'm just glad that you said that it is possible to tank, which is the argument I've been making for a while
Both are bad, shitty, one dimensional, and predictable.
If he has to go Horizantal, get read to edge guard
If vertical, get reayd to edge guard.

And YOU CANT TANK INA FIGHTING GAME
The only thing you gaine is a character getting the shit beat out of them.
u can tank in smash bros u just needa use zelda or fox and manuever :]
Why Zelda?
She isnt even that fast.

And Fox is shit for approaching, and he needs for people to come to him, since his only option of approaching is from the air.
zelda turns into shiek and shiek had good manuevr abilitys if u have good timeing
and fox is just fast and his up+b attack is cheep
...You can't be fucking serious. Just stop playing Smash right now if you think that worthless shit actually works against a real player.
lol if u run up jump slam down and get up quick press up+b on fox u got them stuck with 25 damage and u fly str8 into the groud for a quick grab hit :]
Please, just please, stop where you are....T_T. I didn't know this lvl of noobness existed.
sorry didnt knw u hada be a profesional to post a topic? but whatever makes u feel special
No, but you have to be a pro when discussing how good or bad characters are.....and now, I am doing what I told Washu and Sharky not to do, so bye.
shiek is good whatever anyone else says and any other char can be good it all depends on how you use them...
Tier List

Notice how Sheik is near the bottom tier?
so majority of people cant use her the way i can?
if one person is naturally good at something majority of people wont be in most cases
No she just plain, flat out sucks.
her spcial attacks arent that great but becuase shes so light and fast most attacks can just be basic and cant be counterd if u knw what ur doing
What arte you talking about.
Her needle projectile is pretty damn good.

Light, is not a good thing, she gets killed at very low percent, and stop using "if you know what you are doing" as an argument, because Sheik has a very limited game.
She has 2 kill moves, one of them is very situational.
ive already said her basic attack is all you really need and being light is a good thing becuase if u get caught ina tight spot early ull fly and be able to regain urself...
not everything needs to be flawless...
Stop acting like you have any idea what you are talking about.

First off, Sheiks ground game is very limited and linear. Nearly her attacks function the same, not counting her tilt combos which are pretty damn good and she can rack of 50% pretty easily, but she still has about 100% to work through before she can have any chance at killing, her air game is decent, but lacking variety. Sheik lacks kill power, only having two killing moves, her up smash and her up special, both of which are hard to pull off. Shes extremely ligh weight, average recovery and shes the 2nd fastest falling character, making her prey for combo's.

Dont use "If you know what your doing" as a reply, because I'm pretty damn sure the other person knows what they're doing also.


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  Posted on November 20, 2008 18:55
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Why would anyone Tank with Ike, considering his recovery is absolute shit and its easy to edge guard it?


Which recovery is bad? You can use both his side and up B to recover from air, so I think it's pretty good. When you need to go horizontal, use side B, and when you need to go high, use his up B.

Although I'm just glad that you said that it is possible to tank, which is the argument I've been making for a while
Both are bad, shitty, one dimensional, and predictable.
If he has to go Horizantal, get read to edge guard
If vertical, get reayd to edge guard.

And YOU CANT TANK INA FIGHTING GAME
The only thing you gaine is a character getting the shit beat out of them.
u can tank in smash bros u just needa use zelda or fox and manuever :]
Why Zelda?
She isnt even that fast.

And Fox is shit for approaching, and he needs for people to come to him, since his only option of approaching is from the air.
zelda turns into shiek and shiek had good manuevr abilitys if u have good timeing
and fox is just fast and his up+b attack is cheep
...You can't be fucking serious. Just stop playing Smash right now if you think that worthless shit actually works against a real player.
lol if u run up jump slam down and get up quick press up+b on fox u got them stuck with 25 damage and u fly str8 into the groud for a quick grab hit :]
Please, just please, stop where you are....T_T. I didn't know this lvl of noobness existed.
sorry didnt knw u hada be a profesional to post a topic? but whatever makes u feel special
No, but you have to be a pro when discussing how good or bad characters are.....and now, I am doing what I told Washu and Sharky not to do, so bye.
shiek is good whatever anyone else says and any other char can be good it all depends on how you use them...
Tier List

Notice how Sheik is near the bottom tier?
so majority of people cant use her the way i can?
if one person is naturally good at something majority of people wont be in most cases
No she just plain, flat out sucks.
her spcial attacks arent that great but becuase shes so light and fast most attacks can just be basic and cant be counterd if u knw what ur doing

Wow, I didn't know this level of stupidity existed. This forum never ceases to amaze me.

This thread got more attention than our official one. <_<

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  Posted on November 20, 2008 21:02
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I love how Sharky and Washu's only arguments so far has been, "no, you can't do that, you stupid fucking noob!" while not presenting any evidence, which is actually a joke Sharky said in his post in the SSB topic in his signature.

And tanking is not just absorbing damage, it's also puling aggro which is very, very possible in a fighting game. Also, like you said, Sheik is light, and easy to launch, but there are other characters who are heavy, and not as easy to launch. For example, Ganondorf or Bowser, they are both heavy and harder to launch than others, and thus, able to tank.

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  Posted on November 20, 2008 21:14
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I love how Sharky and Washu's only arguments so far has been, "no, you can't do that, you stupid fucking noob!" while not presenting any evidence, which is actually a joke Sharky said in his post in the SSB topic in his signature.

And tanking is not just absorbing damage, it's also puling aggro which is very, very possible in a fighting game. Also, like you said, Sheik is light, and easy to launch, but there are other characters who are heavy, and not as easy to launch. For example, Ganondorf or Bowser, they are both heavy and harder to launch than others, and thus, able to tank.


The game focuses on defeating your opponent, not simply absorbing damage. Being a tank in Brawl, if there is such a thing, is quite useless if you can't adequately counter your opponent's attacks and kill him/her. Bowser and Ganon have an extremely rough time with that against a fast-attacking character such as MK or Squirtle. I suggest avoiding using that strategy, as it works so much better in RPGs.

I find a balance between offense and defense is the best strategy in a fighting game, namely Brawl. Staying on the offensive when you clearly have the advantage is key to good kills, while trying to see through your opponent's attacks is cricial to gaining the offensive advantage.

Edit: Sharky was pretty damn good at Brawl. (I'm not sure if he plays it anymore) And I haven't faced Washu to know his Brawl potential.

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  Posted on November 20, 2008 21:23
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Tanking actually is possible in Smash games since all you have to do to be elligible to be considered a tank is being able to absorb damage without dying longer than other people can. Snake and Dedede are great examples. They are much heavier and have a better recovery than Jigglypuff or Sheik and thus, are obviously able to "tank" damage more effectively.


@Other guy: Sheik sucks. If you want proof, here it is. If you don't believe me, have fun in denial.

- Very light = she dies at very low percents.
- Weak attacks. Both damage wise and kill-wise. Especially kill-wise though. She has only a couple of moves that will actually finish off an opponent both of which are predictable smash attacks.
- The best Sheik players in America (The ones that know how to use her to the best of her potential) have won very few tournaments because Sheik as a character simply does not have enough advantages to stand up against other characters.
- Most of her damage comes from tilts. Well, that's definitely a one-dimensional method of fighting.
- She has bad range. And low priority.
- Has a terribly predictable up B. All you have to do is get her off the ledge (Which is easy considering she's light) and a good player knows where she'll end up and punish her.
- She has no down B and a useless forward B.
- She doesn't have many advantages against the rest of the Brawl cast and those she does have an advantage against are weaker than her.

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I love how Sharky and Washu's only arguments so far has been, "no, you can't do that, you stupid fucking noob!" while not presenting any evidence, which is actually a joke Sharky said in his post in the SSB topic in his signature.

And tanking is not just absorbing damage, it's also puling aggro which is very, very possible in a fighting game. Also, like you said, Sheik is light, and easy to launch, but there are other characters who are heavy, and not as easy to launch. For example, Ganondorf or Bowser, they are both heavy and harder to launch than others, and thus, able to tank.


The game focuses on defeating your opponent, not simply absorbing damage. Being a tank in Brawl, if there is such a thing, is quite useless if you can't adequately counter your opponent's attacks and kill him/her. Bowser and Ganon have an extremely rough time with that against a fast-attacking character such as MK or Squirtle. I suggest avoiding using that strategy, as it works so much better in RPGs.

I find a balance between offense and defense is the best strategy in a fighting game, namely Brawl. Staying on the offensive when you clearly have the advantage is key to good kills, while trying to see through your opponent's attacks is cricial to gaining the offensive advantage.

Edit: Sharky was pretty damn good at Brawl. (I'm not sure if he plays it anymore) And I haven't faced Washu to know his Brawl potential.


I know it's useless in 1 vs. 1, I was talking about in team battles, where it can be a very useful strategy.
Although thank you for finally saying something other than "noob stfu!" and actually discussing this with evidence.

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  Posted on November 21, 2008 02:18
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I love how Sharky and Washu's only arguments so far has been, "no, you can't do that, you stupid fucking noob!" while not presenting any evidence, which is actually a joke Sharky said in his post in the SSB topic in his signature.

And tanking is not just absorbing damage, it's also puling aggro which is very, very possible in a fighting game. Also, like you said, Sheik is light, and easy to launch, but there are other characters who are heavy, and not as easy to launch. For example, Ganondorf or Bowser, they are both heavy and harder to launch than others, and thus, able to tank.
When did I ever say noob...? Or even insult you?

Why would you even WANT to tank in the first place? All thats getting done is a character getting hurt. Also, except DeDeDe and Snake, all heavy characters have a shitty recovery, so getting double teamed would get them done in good. You cant sit back and shoot projectiles, because the person tanking would have a chance to get hit also.


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  Posted on November 21, 2008 11:43
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For the record: Why tanking if there are three ways to avoid damage?
Avoiding damage is always the better choice anyway, also for heavy characters.

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ike is better then roy
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Taking into consideration that Roy is #18 on the tier list, while Ike is 25 makes Roy stronger....


And if Melee Roy and Brawl Ike fought he would keel him cause Roy has Melee speed on his side.


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  Posted on November 21, 2008 16:34
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You can play with Melee speed in Brawl through hacking though.
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