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Poll: Do you believe Minato aka Yondaime beated Madara Uchiha?
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  Posted on August 29, 2008 14:10
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Namikaze Minato DEFEATED Uchiha Madara
From the way Itachi spoke about Madara's history, it seemed that Madara was present when Kyuubi attacked Konoha. Madara was there and Minato essentially defeated both of them, instead of what we assumed, even when Jiraiya told us Madara could summon Kyuubi; that Madara unleashed Kyuubi and was far away at the time.


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Madara was stopped once again by the Fourth Hokage during the Kyuubi attack 16 years ago


During the Kyuubi attack Konoha nins are waiting for Minato to arrive. Madara made the Kyuubi attack Konoha, then attacked from the other side, where he fought Minato, which would explain why Minato took so long to get there. He fought Madara but Madara escaped. In order to prevent Madara to summon Kyuubi again, he sealed it in Naruto.


This makes sense in a number of ways.

First, why would Madara just let Kyuubi loose? He formed Akatsuki, whose goal it is to collect all the tailed beasts. I think he would have had to have been close by to keep control of the Kyuubi, who I'm sure he would have wanted to keep control of. However Minato was able to seal the Kyuubi inside his newborn son, so that means Madara wasn't able to stop him.


Second, once Kyuubi was sealed and Minato was dead, why didn't Madara just attack Konoha, who was obviously weakened without Minato? Madara was defeated by Shodaime and definitely he has a vengeance against Konoha, so he summoned the Kyuubi to destroy the village. Minato defeated both of them, so Madara had to retreat.


Third, when Itachi says that Minato stopped Madara, he says "again", obviously comparing him to Shodaime. If Shodaime "stopped him" by battling him, then I think we could logically assume Yondaime "stopped him" by defeating him.


Now why is this important? Well ever since the revealing of both Pain and Madara, some people have been quick to assume they are more powerful than Minato, especialy in light of how Jiraiya talked about him in his conversation with Tsunade. However, Minato was called the greatest shinobi in history and I think this is proof that Minato was stronger than both Pain and Madara, given that Minato might just have beaten both Madara and Kyuubi at the same time.


Looking further, again we can deduce that Madara wanted to destroy Konoha. That's what Akatsuki is planning, it's what Orochimaru was planning, who was part of Akatsuki at one time, and Madara would have vengeance against Konoha because of his defeat at the hands of Shodaime.


So if Madara wanted to destroy Konoha AND wanted to keep Kyuubi, he would have had to have been there. And if he WAS there, since he WANTED to destroy Konoha, he would have attacked Konoha after Minato was dead, but there's no reason for us to believe he did, so I believe Minato defeated Madara before Kyuubi and then sealed the Kyuubi, with his last remaining strength.



Some more proof: clicky

"Though he lost the battle for control, he remains alive and well, as do his eyes and their power"


Basically, Madara was at full power until the attack on Konoha 16 years ago. He hadn't lost any power even after his defeat in the hands of the Shodaime. This means that Minato irreparably injured Madara, because even with Minato and several Konoha nins dead he was not able to retaliate and destroy Konoha, hence the need for Sasuke.


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  Posted on August 29, 2008 14:15
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ooooooo good point alright!
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  Posted on August 29, 2008 14:15
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I know you took a lot of time to think it out and/or type it lol, and i respect that
But the idea has a lot of holes in it..and i don't get how that pic proved anything...
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wow, you might be right! your proof is kinda right.... Hmm, there is something to think about...

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  Posted on August 29, 2008 14:21
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yea i dont know if i can beleive that pic
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  Posted on August 29, 2008 14:22
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yea i dont know if i can beleive that pic
its from a manga page so u can believe those pics


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Can u plz stop posting this ....... that picture tells u that madara was behind the kyuubi incident, not behind the real kyuubi itself. Secondly madara did not form akatsuki, pein did. Thirdly, madara couldn't defeat an entire village by himself x.x. thats why he used the kyuubi because it has they power to destroy anything in its path. We also already saw that when kazuma released sora's "kyuubi" to attack konoha cuz it was the only thing that could destroy the village x.x. Your next point is true, orochimaru could have formed the plan to attack the village, but dont u think if madara and orochimaru were on the same team and had the same goal "to gain control of the leaf" don't u think that they would soon fight or something like that O.o Therefor what im saying here is that u are thinking too far. Your little story is false, you have no evidence or proof to back up your story.
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  Posted on August 29, 2008 14:28
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Can u plz stop posting this ....... that picture tells u that madara was behind the kyuubi incident, not behind the real kyuubi itself. Secondly madara did not form akatsuki, pein did. Thirdly, madara couldn't defeat an entire village by himself x.x. thats why he used the kyuubi because it has they power to destroy anything in its path. We also already saw that when kazuma released sora's "kyuubi" to attack konoha cuz it was the only thing that could destroy the village x.x. Your next point is true, orochimaru could have formed the plan to attack the village, but dont u think if madara and orochimaru were on the same team and had the same goal "to gain control of the leaf" don't u think that they would soon fight or something like that O.o Therefor what im saying here is that u are thinking too far. Your little story is false, you have no evidence or proof to back up your story.
this theory might actually be true.
Why would a Hokage be late by such a battle?
It could be that he was just finishing drawing the seal on Naruto.
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Kishimoto did not reveal all the details about that fight. Up until more recently, we were told that the Kyuubi was simply a natural disaster.And also Itachi has already stated that he is a shell of his former self.


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  Posted on August 29, 2008 14:31
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Can u plz stop posting this ....... that picture tells u that madara was behind the kyuubi incident, not behind the real kyuubi itself. Secondly madara did not form akatsuki, pein did. Thirdly, madara couldn't defeat an entire village by himself x.x. thats why he used the kyuubi because it has they power to destroy anything in its path. We also already saw that when kazuma released sora's "kyuubi" to attack konoha cuz it was the only thing that could destroy the village x.x. Your next point is true, orochimaru could have formed the plan to attack the village, but dont u think if madara and orochimaru were on the same team and had the same goal "to gain control of the leaf" don't u think that they would soon fight or something like that O.o Therefor what im saying here is that u are thinking too far. Your little story is false, you have no evidence or proof to back up your story.
this theory might actually be true.
Why would a Hokage be late by such a battle?
It could be that he was just finishing drawing the seal on Naruto.
and
Kishimoto did not reveal all the details about that fight. Up until more recently, we were told that the Kyuubi was simply a natural disaster.And also Itachi has already stated that he is a shell of his former self.


get more proof and maybe then i'll believe u
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Can u plz stop posting this ....... that picture tells u that madara was behind the kyuubi incident, not behind the real kyuubi itself. Secondly madara did not form akatsuki, pein did. Thirdly, madara couldn't defeat an entire village by himself x.x. thats why he used the kyuubi because it has they power to destroy anything in its path. We also already saw that when kazuma released sora's "kyuubi" to attack konoha cuz it was the only thing that could destroy the village x.x. Your next point is true, orochimaru could have formed the plan to attack the village, but dont u think if madara and orochimaru were on the same team and had the same goal "to gain control of the leaf" don't u think that they would soon fight or something like that O.o Therefor what im saying here is that u are thinking too far. Your little story is false, you have no evidence or proof to back up your story.
this theory might actually be true.
Why would a Hokage be late by such a battle?
It could be that he was just finishing drawing the seal on Naruto.
and
Kishimoto did not reveal all the details about that fight. Up until more recently, we were told that the Kyuubi was simply a natural disaster.And also Itachi has already stated that he is a shell of his former self.


get more proof and maybe then i'll believe u
uhh sure ill pm u it


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  Posted on September 15, 2008 09:52
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Good point of view.
  Posted on September 15, 2008 09:55
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Minato is the ebst char of all :D lolz my fav and if minato wasnt there there would be no naruto for many reasons gj


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1st madara did form akatsuki pein misteriousle took over l8r
2nd - ur theory isnt right coz l8r madara says he didnt do anything to the nine tailed
3rd - itachi wanted sasuke to believe that itachi's the bad guy not madara and etc. that enough said

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Okay....

1. The Kyuubi attack on Konoha was proven not be done by Madara
2. Minato deafeated The Kyuubi, not Madara.
3. Beated? Work on your spelling. Or learn to Pronounciate right.
4. They never battled. Look things up before posting crap like this.
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Okay....

1. The Kyuubi attack on Konoha was proven not be done by Madara
2. Minato deafeated The Kyuubi, not Madara.
3. Beated? Work on your spelling. Or learn to Pronounciate right.
4. They never battled. Look things up before posting crap like this.
Just because Itachi said one thing and Madara said another, doesn't mean Madara is the one who speaks the truth. Personally, I am more ready to believe Itachi's word than Madara's. This theory is not crap, but still there is more guessing than facts.
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