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Posted on October 13, 2008 16:09

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#1396

Thank you for the Kabuto boost! Now he is basically a genjutsu user. ^.^

As for the lowest 4 characters, they are all locked characters. I think a boost in all of them may increase their usage.

(I still think the DB's rock)

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Posted on October 13, 2008 17:07

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#1397

Naruto Ship is fine, he doesn't need anything and please don't spam. Anyway, so far, I have not yet lost with Kabuto the way he is now, he is great. He can now attack every turn pretty consistently, he can disrupt what your opponent wants to do on offense either with MPT or ToN. He can be put in a lot of teams now, compared to before. My team with him is Hinata, Yoroi, Kabuto and this team can annihilate everything your opponent tries to do before they do it. (As I'm typing this I just lost because I forgot to drain one more time and I got hit by Gamabunta).

Posted on October 13, 2008 19:04

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#1398

Kabuto's percentage is going to jump to about 65% soon if mystical palm isn't given a cooldown. That skill can now be used to literally take one of the three enemy characters out of the match, unless you happen to use two stunners.

On the other hand, though, people are just going to use Kisame Body Double more often.

And does anyone know if a chakra is still removed even if you use all the chakra you have on a round after you get hit by mystical palm?

Posted on October 13, 2008 19:26

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#1399

bearclaw2825 You made a good point there, I really don't know tho. I hope you'll get an asnwer, since that is tnen the weakness of Kabby. But still, he's waaay OP now, if what you're asking is this way tho then you can just annihilate Kabuto so that you have no chakra left each turn.

But his skill is still too strong. Either a 1 turn CD to be added or make it deal 5 less damage and not piercing, or make it piercing and do 5 more damage only when SHWD is active. I'm gonna use him while I can tho.

@blazingfist Where did anyone spam or say a thing about Naruto Shippuden?

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Posted on October 13, 2008 20:33

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#1400

i honestly think it got a huge boost by doing piercing AND only costing a random my suggestion is to make it cost a nin becuase come on this is outragous.

Posted on October 13, 2008 20:37

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Well I don't know if its outrageous yet. In one on one he has become significantly better, however remember that his drain only takes effect still if they perform a skill which they won't always., Plus it makes people target Kabuto first. I don't know he sucked and now he's better at least. We'll wait a little bit and then Luap will see his stats and that will lead to either a nerf or staying the same (or if for some insane reason he still sucks %-wise then a boost).

Also as Neji pointed out, the 4 lowest characters are all characters that you have to unlock which is a problem because why unlock people if they're only going to make you worse?

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Posted on October 13, 2008 21:23

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#1402

travman90 wrote:

Done25 wrote:

GippaI wrote:

Done25 wrote:

Wow Yoroi is actually good now. Or he would be wih a tiny buff.

Draining Assault needs to be boosted to 15 damage for both versions and energy drain needs to steal 10 health.

I think thats still a little underpowered but things should be done in baby steps. :D

That would make Yoroi overpowered. Simply put.
Characters that deal low damage shouldn't be seen as underpowered. Otherwise, you're only fooling yourself.

Unless they are. Which he is. Lets see 8 health steal vs 20 damage.
A preps (100 hp left) (100 hp to go)
B hits (100 left) (80 to go)
A hits (88 left) (92 to go)
B hits (92 left) (68 to go)
A hits (76 left) (86 to go)
B hits (86 left) (56 to go)
Are you seeing a pattern here? Because I am.

Person A is Yoroi with his prep on. Person B can be any person who hits for 20 damage for one chakra.

Except I see a problem here, you're taking into account far too little. Matches are never 100 hp vs 100 hp(or rather very rarely does that come up). This is a team based game. 3 v 3. You don't take into account them not having the chakra to attack Yoroi, you don't take into account any other characters. If that's your bases its highly flawed because it doesn't account for the real game it accounts for a fake scenario that will likely never occur.

Matches are never 100 hp vs 100 hp - I think that thats how all matches start out.

This is a team based game. 3 v 3. - I know this but I made it a 1v1 situation to keep it simple and because having 3 people attacking him isn't much different from one.

You don't take into account them not having the chakra to attack Yoroi - What ever character your attacking probably has a better chance of getting chakra for attacking since Yoroi just uses one type. (Ex. Fox Naruto uses both red and blue chakra for attack)

You don't take into account any other characters - The alternet effects for Yoroi's attacks don't help the team at all. Infact the unprepped version is twice as nice as the prepped version because not only does it do more raw damage but you steal chakra that you can fuel the rest of your team with.

If you STILL don't agree with me just take a peep at his rates. I can guarente you that less than 1% of any these matches has him prepped at any part of it.
Akadou Yoroi 50.87%
Matches Played: 3546 (0.24%)

Oh here is a recent match i played in. I had 50 health and my opponent had 60 we were both Yoroi but I won. Why? Because he turned his prep on and I didn't. While it did give him a 6 point advantage everytime we attacked each other the fact that I was fueling myself with his chakra won me the game because I could attack more.

Posted on October 13, 2008 21:40

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@Done25
What I meant was one on one matches are nearly never 100 HP vs 100 hp.
And not taking into account other characters is the flaw, did you ever think about using his prep to keep him alive longer because he grants one chakra ever turn he is alive, I mean I know he drains but he drains equal to the amount of chakra he uses so its a net 0, but if you can keep him alive a few rounds longer you fuel your team with chakra as well. In one on one no prep is better but in 3 on 3 prep may be better. You can't just take one scenario and say because its useless in that scenario its useless entirely. It's like saying that Shino's bugs are useless because Sakura (S) can heal them off characters, but your not always going to fight Sakura (S) so shino isn't useless. Do you get what I'm saying.

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Posted on October 13, 2008 21:49

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#1404

i have to agree with Done on this one...
The prep is a good idea but still useless...its like the kabuto thing, should you do mystical palm and drain a charka or use that same nin to try to hopefully heal if the opponet doesn't use a move that end up killing you anyway or worst case just doesn't attack.
Now just using his prep so that he can "stay alive" longer is like having a sandiame who used shiki and keep healing him just so that you can get that 1 extra charka.
Now healing health is all good and stuff but what the point if the very next turn the health healed isn't going to keep you alive or make a difference. If yoroi was gaining for example 20 hp or hell 15 that would be a noticable increase in his survaiblity but for right now the draining would be the best option as you decrease your opponet chance of killing yoroi or anyone else on your team more effectivly as well as increasing the charka in your pool to help kill your opponet team.

I used a yoroi and held my own against a kankuro and sakon... i would have won if it wasn't for the raping cooldowns on yoroi. But anyway if i had used his healing that would have spelled sudden death because any amount of healing just isn't worth it because you are still letting the opponet better attack, make a strategy w/e.

Also something been bothering me with his alternate effects...isn't draining a charka > than healing health in the game mechanics...shouldn't the damage done unprepped be less than the damage done prepped?

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Posted on October 13, 2008 21:55

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#1405

To be honest, Yoroi without his prep is ALWAYS better. Think about it like this. The average damage for one chakra is 15 or 20 (and in reality, it is often more). If Yoroi drains that chakra, you just saved yourself from that damage. If you're prepped, you're only healing eight, or possibly 10, which is basically about half as effective as the chakra drain. AND you're doing less damage.

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Posted on October 13, 2008 22:09

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#1406

I can see what travman is saying. Just because something fails to succeed in one situation does not mean that it will fail in another situation.

It's like failing to hit a bulls eye on a target with a dart, you can practice with a dart an eventually hit the target. sometimes you have to just keep trying until you find a winning combination.

As for the latest percentage post. Looks like some percentages have went up quite a bit, but there are still many characters with lower win percentages then they should in my honest opinion. I mean look at some of the akatsuki members, and some of the jounins, they are ranked a lot lower then some if not most of the genin characters. There is being balanced, and there is not making any sense as far as what it should probably be. Yes there would be a majority of teams using the characters that have the said 52%, but it still doesn't guarantee them a win.

I got to thinking that maybe geinins should have like a max of 48%, 49% chunnin, 50% for the jounins, and 51%-52% should be the max for the sannins/hokages/akatsuki members. Not overpowered, but just powerful enough that they should win more battles then it looks like they are.

That way there is just a 4% difference. People can still lose if they aren't skilled enough, and it should look better about hokages/sannins/akatsuki members do what they are assumed to be able to do from the show/manga.

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It seems pretty common place for people to find and point out reasons why somehing might or will not work, and I have found it extremely rare for someone to make a suggestion in order to make an idea work. Is that because we are afraid of change?

Posted on October 13, 2008 22:12

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@travman90: I mean I know he drains but he drains equal to the amount of chakra he uses so its a net 0 - Don't forget he generates chakra so it's really a net of +1.

jamshaw: Shoulden't damage done unprepped be less than the damage done prepped? - Your right. Honestly I thought they were going to switch the effects around for unprepped to = health steal but I gess they forgot.

waberfishysworth: Yoroi without his prep is ALWAYS better. - Thats why I want to boost the damage he does. And possibly lower the cool down of Draining Assault by 1. >.>

EDIT: Also Kabuto is awesome now.

Posted on October 13, 2008 22:23

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#1408

@riholehiste
A guy came in here and spammed. The posts got deleted which is why mine made no sense.

Yoroi is great now, giving him two different sets is nice, although it might be better if you make the second set worth getting to. Like instead of draining you destroy more chakra, or do more damage, or stun for a turn or something to that effect. His first set is nice and what it should've been before (without a prep).

Posted on October 14, 2008 00:18

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#1409

hey luapman, those missions are boring and some suck because you have to verse A specific person and what if you dont face them you wont get the character you wanted:teeth

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Posted on October 14, 2008 01:01

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TJasekun wrote:

hey luapman, those missions are boring and some suck because you have to verse A specific person and what if you dont face them you wont get the character you wanted:teeth

thats the fun in the missions (the old ones at least)

now that almost everything is streaking,whats the point of even having fun with missions?

P.S)As far as missions go,4 tail kyuubi better be a jinchuuriki level unlock:suspicious

to stay on topic of the altar,i have to say,kabuto...the only reason i would use him,is for his ToN,and once and a while his palm.Besides that,i dont use him in my team.

As for yoroi,i have found a pretty good team for him,but i dont use his alt moveset.

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