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Posted on August 19, 2008 16:53

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#2941

...just noticed something with kakashi s...he can't copy a follow up move....ex gaara desert funeral and gaara rehab desert imperial funeral move... the requirements fit

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Posted on August 19, 2008 19:29

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#2942

I would say boost kisame BD he has no good teams whith him and kakashi (s) is to situational

oh and sasori is good he is hard to get and powerfull whitch is perfect

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Posted on August 19, 2008 20:41

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Charaters that are hard to get are often allowed a 53-60% win ratio, Sasori, weather he's in a class of his own, or if he falls into this group, is yet to be seen, but it's likly he will be nerfed. (Even though, a few missions are impossible, like Sasori's, unless the admins gave these charaters to ciratain people, as a requirement is to defeat the charater you unlock)

Still on my crusade to get Shigure Buffed, as he dosen't work with many charaters, at least the ones unlocked at the same rank as he is (Although Juyriya's Toad Stomach attack may help his DoT signifcantly), because he is outperformed, by Kankuro in DoT (Affliction over itteruptable, blockable DoT), and my most AoE'ers as well, in general utility. I would accept him if his Sprinkling needles was the same as Doki Demons, except 10 damage for 3 rounds. I'd even not mind his follow-up to be cut to 20, just for 15 points of damage reduction, so he actually lives, as surley, the needles falling around him would protect him?!

And I still want to see his usage and win-loss. That's if he even has useage, as Balance is considered in ranked matches (Top 1000).

So, my Shigure suggestion would be:
Umbrella Toss: Prep, same as now.
Sprinkling Needles: Deals 10 DoT for 3 rounds, provides 15 damage reduction, costs 2 random, requires prep
Other attack: Deals 20 damage to one unit, requires SN to be in effect on that charater.

In addition, no matter how much I love using her, I feel Hinata could use... *gulp*... a nerf, only minor. I mean, after a Prep, albeit, specific, she can Deal 25 AoE and grant 50% damage reduction for 1 nin, 1 random, no cooldown. Combined with her ability, for 1 tai, 1 random, to destroy 2 chakra and deal 20 damage over 2 rounds, effectivly forcing that 1 chakra gained that turn to be spent on an invun, to avoid massive chakra loss, is very useful, espcially without other Nin users on your team. I'd be happy if Hinata's Trigram Attack either delt 20 damage, or reduced damage by a set amount, such as 15.

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Posted on August 19, 2008 20:52

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#2944

I think itachi's tsukuyomi should cost 2 gen and 1 random and stun for 3 turns and doing 15 affliction damage each turn,
I think temari's Gust Wind should go back to what it was before it was nerfed,
Haku's acutpunre should cost 2 nin and do stun for 2 turns also doing 15 affiction damage for each turn they are stunned or 10 affliction damage,
And the 1st hokage's Birth of trees should only cost 1 blood and only gives him 25 destrcuctable defense.

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Posted on August 19, 2008 21:33

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#2945

BTW... Sasori no longer has a perfect win rate, I just beat a cheap Sakura (S), Orochimaru, Sasori team with Kakashi, Tayuya, Kisame (used Raikiri insta-kill on Sakura but not Sasori). I got really lucky with chakra and I don't know if he ever got to attack with Sasori (definitely didn't get hit with any afflictions); but I would still say that any nerf to Sasori should probably be to his attacks and not to his DD, which isn't all that bad if I could beat it without affliction or insta-killing him.

EDIT: I think all he needs is 1 cooldown on his random attack, which is currently too easy to abuse by dealing affliction or AOE every turn, and he'll be fairly balanced.

Posted on August 19, 2008 22:26

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nah,sasori's afflictions should be removed when he dies.besides,he needs to be at low health to do affliction i think

gomla:your making them overpowered.i need to say no more

allos:shigure does have a lot of good teams,even if he is at the lower and upper levels.i got 8 streak and unlocked neji (s) and sandaime easily with him (jiraiya,neji,shigure)if his attacks were decreased,no one would use him.

kakashi:yes,he is situational,but there are alot of people that use the kisame,shodai,kank team right now.he is a perfect counter to that,and all other infamous stun teams.but i hope his copy is reworked to have the same cost of the copied skill,that would make him more fair (the 1 turn cooldown can stay)cause i hate it that he can use a powerful move like rasenganfor only 1 random with 1 cooldown.

or another thought for kakashi (s)would be this effect for his copy:
if the copied skill does 20 dmg or less,it costs 1 random.if it does more than 20,it costs 2 random.

neji(s):he needs his chakra disruption to be reworked.not enough people use those types of attacks,and even then,the skill just isnt worth using.i suggest the skill says (for the cost of 1 blood 1 random) if any enemy character uses a melee skill on neji (s) while this skill is in effect,that enemy will be countered,and they will lose 1 random chakra (4 turn cooldown)this way peoples complaints about him only destroying specific will be answered,plus the skill will be usable,and not spammable.

kisame BD:im going to keep putting this out there:shock wave,10 affliction to affected people.he needs some strategy to him.i like his cooldown increase,but its not really that useful,if you dont have some strategy with it.he should do the affliction,so he will atleast do some dmg to the other people not affected by his sharks

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Posted on August 20, 2008 02:26

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I feel that Shippuden Naruto is extremely rigged.

And this comes from the guy who used him when Clones just blocked and Kyuubi just upped Rasen.

Specifically, my issue comes from his Shadow Clone Technique and, at a lesser point, his Kyuubi increase.

For a specific chakra, most enemies can deflect one specific type of attack.(To use a more recent character, Kisame(S) Bd.) Most of these characters ALSO simply block the attack, and occasional damage/stun.

Now then...How is it that a Random Chakra ignores all enemies skills and also deals 20 damage?(Random, but 1v1 its pretty obvious where that goes.) Not only that, they can do it every other turn. Now, comparing that to another defense character, Neji, it seems okay...except when you consider that Neji's uses blood and random. While it is true that it only "ignores skills" making longer term skill effective next turns, it is nonetheless, extremely annoying.

I feel that because of this, it is quite easy for Naruto(S) to dominate single opponents, without even utilizing Oodama.(Adding that into the mix, makes things look grim.)

Ah..Kyuubi Boost. I think that at the moment, its good...Except when you consider characters. More and more, I see this Team. Kakashi, Sakura(S), and Naruto(S). Obviously, going for the Kakashi(S) mission.

Now then, I feel its quite an abusive Team. Specifically? How Naruto supplies the exact chakra for Rakiri. Sakura's healing technique can remove any stuns quite easily, making AOEs or stun on her and an enemy the only way to really get around it. With just one blood, one nin, and 2 randoms, you can get an instant Raikiri set up. Unless you can stun Kakashi(And if you do, you can still expect a stunning a Oodama Rasengan) you will have one character die.

I feel this is extremely cheap, particularly considering the ease at this performs. Infact, the only way to really stop this that I've found is stunning Kakashi, a difficult feat if you A. have no stunners B. Your stunner is being stunned by Nin Dogs or C. Chakra Gods hate you, or a possible D. Can't kill Kakashi. Likely with the aforementioned Healing. E. Drain Chakra. Assuming you even target the right chakra(Assuming they go with this set up with only that chakra, thats at least 5 for them to be hit.).

Thus..I feel that in this situation, as well as general usage of Clones, makes Naruto extremely abusive character. Feel free to throw food at me.

P.S The Kankuro Stun increaser is annoying combined with his 65 damage..sure its been mentioned before, just shouting my agreement to it's overpowerment.

P.S.S And yes, Sasori is extremely rigged. The Oro, Sak(S), Saso combo is both powerful and extremely deadly..I only barely killed Sasori...

Posted on August 20, 2008 03:28

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LegendShinobe wrote:

Now then, I feel its quite an abusive Team. Specifically? How Naruto supplies the exact chakra for Rakiri. Sakura's healing technique can remove any stuns quite easily, making AOEs or stun on her and an enemy the only way to really get around it. With just one blood, one nin, and 2 randoms, you can get an instant Raikiri set up. Unless you can stun Kakashi(And if you do, you can still expect a stunning a Oodama Rasengan) you will have one character die.

P.S The Kankuro Stun increaser is annoying combined with his 65 damage..sure its been mentioned before, just shouting my agreement to it's overpowerment.

I honestly have found that team to be pretty weak, as it falls apart when any of the three are killed. Also, I dont know what sakura (s) you are playing against. but the only stuns she can remove are affliction based stuns, which includes only 3 stuns(nin-dogs, acupunture, and shiki fujin).

Ill agree with you about kankuro's stun increaser though. Its definitely flirting with the realm of being overpowered, especially since if you go first you have almost no way to defend against it(though its always fun countering it with gai first turn).

Posted on August 20, 2008 09:00

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LegendShinobe wrote:

The whole point of boost is to provide chakra for oodama.And him powering up kakashi,thats good strategy.

Yes,once again,i think kank's stun increase should go away once he dies.Thats the problem with him

the sasori team.....you cant say a character is over powered,just because some person got sasori,and created a good team for him.The only thing to sasori i can think of is making the regular dmg for his affliction less (not the affliction dmg itself,but the.....you know what i mean)and also his afflictions should also go away when he dies.but other than that,i think hes fine

sakura(s):she is really starting to piss me off.She can heal herself even when she is supposed to die.Cant her skill be like tsunade's,where if she is supposed to die,she doesnt heal.Shes impossible to kill in 1 vs 1s

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Posted on August 20, 2008 10:42

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allosawyou2 wrote:

Still on my crusade to get Shigure Buffed,
And I still want to see his usage and win-loss. That's if he even has useage, as Balance is considered in ranked matches (Top 1000).

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