Undisputed Idea (A Must Read)


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  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:36
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Some of you love me. Some of you hate me. You know who you are. But allow me to speak for just one moment and read all of it.
What a clan should be. Lately I've been thinking a lot about this. What is a clan. What is it's point. These were questions I ask in my clan test's but I don't think I ever truly asked them of myself. I've played this game for a while and have seen things from the top as well as the bottom. So this is a letter. To all clan leaders. As well as any clan member for that matter.

Being a clan leader is an odd thing. We have some of the hardest times on these boards. Because we have to watch everything. There is always something for us to do. Some fire to put out. We rarely get a thank you or much of a head nod for what we go through. Sometimes we have members that don't act the way we feel they should. Some of you know who you are. Often we leaders have to deal with this. Members tend to not get the big picture most times. They often don't see that they represent us as well as their other members. This is heavy on us because not only do we need to worry about outside problem but inside. This is thankless and if you plan to be a clan leader be prepared for hardship back stabs and long hours. And I mean long hours. You will not be thanked. There is a saying. Players win. and couches lose. It stand true here. But I mean not to complain. Because when you put in that work and you see a group of people gather around you all striving for the same thing you'll find one of the rarest beauties this world has to offer. There is nothing like it. So can members. Go tell your clan leader thank you. He or she most likely spend the better part of his or her day making sure you have fun. They do more then you know.

But this got me thinking.If the best part of a clan is those relationships. Those friends. Then what is a clan really. I look around an NB and see a lot of clans wanting to be like AC-R. waring as much as possible trying to gain rep but. Yon and Burn are gone. Fallen on their own swords. It makes not difference if you liked them or not. This is a truth. What makes a good clan really? War rep? Then my clan would be a contradiction to that as well as some other "great" clans. I can count on both hands how many wars we have really fought. We got well know simply by being good members of the boards. When someone wasn't. I kicked them out of the clan quickly. This earned me the rep of an ogre. lol. Truth be told I don't mind that. You can hate me. But you wont hate my clan. Any good leader can say that. You know who you are. Now is my clan good at playing. Yes. But we never really made the clan about that. With most clans wars mean everything. Win win win at all costs. But when you make a clan about that you lose something. That friendship. Because when you lose. The clan begins to fall apart. Those of your member claiming the your clan is the best and you will crash all will be out the door and gone apart of the next "strong clan."

Some out there use cheap teams to win. You know who you are. But no ones has really explained why they get angry. It is not because of the lose. If so half the people on NA would be pissed at anytime. More the anger comes from the lack of play. Sitting there watching the game happen boring. And we have all been at the end of it. Most don't care about losing. when you get to the heart of the matter. Even a lose can be fun if close. If you give it your all and still are beat you walk away. This is true of most. But to never even be given a chance. Sure it's fun for the other person. But who wants to watch someone play Monopoly?

I get respect now I guess. I'm well know to some degree. But it's always an odd feeling when people say this when I've never met them. Not to long ago I was a newbie that had no idea what he was doing. 7 months or so ago.

So this my letter for what ever reason. I started Fenrir to challenge the idea of what a strong clan meant. Are we the strongest in the game? Most likely not. But wouldn't trade my friendship with my members for anything. So I ask that you think. And you look at your members and your leaders. For what they truly are. Ask why you play this game. And find joy in the great friendships you have made. You know who you are.


If you feel I'm not blowing smoke. Feel free to link this in your sig. (Thank you itachi-killz for the idea) Maybe I can make a difference after all.
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  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:39
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so many words
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  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:40
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Demon_Wind wrote:
so many words

I know and I'm sorry. But I ask that you read it. It's your choice. Just something I wrote feeling I had to.
  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:43
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i like it good job. its true too
  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:44
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Wow. I read every word on that Art. And may I see you speak with such truth and soul. This comes straight from your heart and although I am clanless I have been part of clans and have lead them. I understand what you mean, and I honestly do. I don't say this to give you props for writing so much, and being a mod, but for opening your eyes to the truth. You are a wise man in my eyes, and a great leader (according to what I have read on this).

That relationship amongst clan members is what seperates a good clan, from a great clan.

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  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:44
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wow.....nice, and it is hard to be a clan leader...thats y i am not one anymore cant handle 250 people needing something every second and being bitchy if it takes a while lol
  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:45
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itachi-killz wrote:
Wow. I read every word on that Art. And may I see you speak with such truth and soul. This comes straight from your heart and although I am clanless I have been part of clans and have lead them. I understand what you mean, and I honestly do. I don't say this to give you props for writing so much, and being a mod, but for opening your eyes to the truth. You are a wise man in my eyes, and a great leader (according to what I have read on this).

I'm no great leader. Just a noob that got lucky.
  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:46
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yes that is true i have only used a cheap team 1 time in a war because i was behind 1-0 and i came back and won and yah usually clan wars are win at all times to some clans
Necessity knows no law.

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stumbled and fell.
  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:48
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artivous13 wrote:
itachi-killz wrote:
Wow. I read every word on that Art. And may I see you speak with such truth and soul. This comes straight from your heart and although I am clanless I have been part of clans and have lead them. I understand what you mean, and I honestly do. I don't say this to give you props for writing so much, and being a mod, but for opening your eyes to the truth. You are a wise man in my eyes, and a great leader (according to what I have read on this).

I'm no great leader. Just a noob that got lucky.
^
applies for me as well

But Art, gorgeous. The only way to make it better would have been to record it as a rap.
  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:48
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artivous13 wrote:
itachi-killz wrote:
Wow. I read every word on that Art. And may I see you speak with such truth and soul. This comes straight from your heart and although I am clanless I have been part of clans and have lead them. I understand what you mean, and I honestly do. I don't say this to give you props for writing so much, and being a mod, but for opening your eyes to the truth. You are a wise man in my eyes, and a great leader (according to what I have read on this).

I'm no great leader. Just a noob that got lucky.
Lucky not because of your standing on naruto-boards grounds, but the ability to see the truth that happens in plain site and yet invisible to so many.

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  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:48
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Sorry I felt the need to spill my guts out. This stuff had just been on my chest for awhile and I needed to get it out.

@waves6 : I couldn't do it. I tried. I E-Fail:cry
  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:49
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makes u wanna bring tears 2 your eyes.:cry i agree word for word. ive been in the same clan since i started the boards. very wise man.
  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:52
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Art,you have taught me this threw our last few PBs,that winning isn't everything.It's the fun of the game and the excitment that really matters,it doesn't matter if we win or lose,as long as we have fun and not think about winning at all costs. I've always said this about a clan" A clan isn't a group of people who get togather and call themselves a name and a symbol, for it is really family" For I shall stick to those words. You Art,made me realize that,you Art made me realize my true inner self and I thank you for that, I have grown from my pawn stage and have become a leader

Thank you Artivous13...

You all need that one person to look at,to point your fucking fingers and say "There's the loser. You don't wanna be like him". You're just another one of the thousands,millions looking down. Take a good long look,because I'm not going anywhere.
  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:55
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Sakura11 wrote:
Art,you have taught me this threw our last few PBs,that winning isn't everything.It's the fun of the game and the excitment that really matters,it doesn't matter if we win or lose,as long as we have fun and not think about winning at all costs. I've always said this about a clan" A clan isn't a group of people who get togather and call themselves a name and a symbol, for it is really family" For I shall stick to those words. You Art,made me realize that,you Art made me realize my true inner self and I thank you for that, I have grown from my pawn stage and have become a leader

Thank you Artivous13...
And so more truth unveils from yet another wise, but hidden mind on naruto-boards. I agree with that whole-heartedly

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  Posted on January 2, 2008 04:56
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Sakura11 wrote:
Art,you have taught me this threw our last few PBs,that winning isn't everything.It's the fun of the game and the excitment that really matters,it doesn't matter if we win or lose,as long as we have fun and not think about winning at all costs. I've always said this about a clan" A clan isn't a group of people who get togather and call themselves a name and a symbol, for it is really family" For I shall stick to those words. You Art,made me realize that,you Art made me realize my true inner self and I thank you for that, I have grown from my pawn stage and have become a leader

Thank you Artivous13...

I guess you never really know how you effect people till they tell you. Thank you Sakura. This tear in my eye is for you. and thank you everyone else for your kind words. I do not deserve them. But am glade to here them. I can be whiny and pretentious at times.
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